Brrrr it’s chilly in here

So what is worth the cold?

I think worth the cold could be one of the most important clues. Why if your in the desert would it be cold? I mean if it’s in water…I guess. It just seems to me that cold seems like a negative thing the way it’s said and I would think it would be refreshing in that instance.

Bronzes per Forrest? I have wondered if it’s in a secret compartment inside a bronze like he talks about having the lids to the jars being a secret technique to do. He talks to the children about bronzes being cold.

If it’s worth the cold, then doesn’t that mean you can see it better when it’s cold? So maybe you have to go when it’s cold, but it’s been suggested not to go when there’s snow. So that leaves fall and spring. What happens then? That’s when the plants don’t have so much growth on them which might be hiding it?

Inside a damp cave?

Mountain water

Snow and ice? They aren’t always around.

Higher elevation? Could be a more directional thing and that might make sense.

Northern states? Same as above.

The name of something like a street or body of water that means cold?  Agua Fria?

Page 41 he talks about going to the cemetery when it wasn’t too cold. So maybe a cemetery is part of this.

69 thoughts on “Brrrr it’s chilly in here

  1. bco says:

    What about the Never Summer group of mountains? Would that mean it’s always cold there? In that group are Mount Richthofen, Mount Cindy, Box Canyon. Now if there were a Richlikefen mountaintop, I wouldn’t even think twice about the cold to get to it. :)

  2. Brian says:

    Stephanie-
    Your talk about caves and cold and not always being around reminded me of ice caves. We have some of these in Washington (by Trout Lake) which, I believe, keep their ice year round. They can be quite dangerous obviously, but certainly a nice hidey spot that requires preparation to find!

    • Stephanie says:

      I did see that there were some ice caves in Idaho between Salt Lake City and Ketchum when we were driving up there…but we didn’t have time to stop and check them out. I saw photos online and they are breathtaking. I’d really like to check some of those out at some point. Just found this image online and there’s a ton of colors and he’s talked about colors. I didn’t really work on it though to find things that could match the poem. I think though there’s a snake river nearby that could have been the meek. http://neplains.com/idaho-shoshone—ice-caves-ceiling-of-cave-of-prisms.asp x Doesn’t he mention Shoshone Wyoming? I could be wrong…going by memory.

  3. bco says:

    I think the desert is figurative and not literal, but not for sure. Maybe means isolated? I’m reminded of that song, I’ve been to the desert on a horse with no name….cause in the desert you can remember your name….no one to give pain….it felt good to be out of the rain…

  4. bco says:

    Thank you…could not remember the name or group :)

    • Stephanie says:

      I love songs from that era. I’ll email you my videos I made for the search. I took them off the blog, but there’s some good songs.

      • Mike S. says:

        You should post here…I think we all would love to watch it….Relax our minds for a short time.

        • Stephanie says:

          If anyone wants to see them, shoot me an email at tyblossom at aol dot com. I get thousands of hits on my blog a day and I took them off, because I didn’t want thousands knowing what I look like when I’m out searching…I can dodge a few of you *wink*

  5. bco says:

    I always thought it said under the cities lies a heart of brown, but I see now the lyrics say ground….

  6. Mike S. says:

    I wish I could keep track of all the things I read, but was there something in these blogs that referenced a body of water that stays iced over throughout the summer? It might have been in the writings of Osborne Russell, I just cant remember where I read it. Oh yeah…HaHa…Thanks alot for putting “America’s” song “Horse with no name” in my head…I will be singing that all day now. You have to love Classic Rock.

    • Stephanie says:

      if a song has to be in your head all day…it’s a good one ;-) I’m not sure about the water that stays iced over all summer…that’s interesting. I must have missed it, because I didn’t even know that could happen. Hmm.

  7. Stephanie says:

    Here’s a video I’ll post that doesn’t show me that I just posted to Dals blog. It’s us going over The Big Horn with my fear of mountains. Just don’t be annoyed at my Oh my gosh Oh my gosh.

    • bco says:

      omg…2 funny :) if that tresure hunting gig doesn’t work out maybe the videography/u tube will. ;0

      • Stephanie says:

        Thanks. They were fun to do. I’m surprised more people haven’t posted pics and videos…but now I sort of think especially with the rangers, that you don’t want them knowing what your doing either.

  8. cheeker says:

    I once thought it could refer to “Canadian”.. as in the Canadian river/mill’s canyon…

  9. Ray says:

    I wonder about ‘worth the cold’.ff is a smart and clever man who knows his words. He started working on this poem when he was 58 and since he considered the passage of time, his chosen location must reflect that. I have my thoughts on this but since this is a ‘winner-take-all’ game – my thoughts are not shared.

  10. jen says:

    I think it means bronze. But then again it might not. Sigh…. j

  11. Wow where did the pics of mel and the other actress pop up from…id never seen them…I so hope ur archiving that post …people up reading already…where did those likes come from…did u see them at bottom of blog?

  12. As u can see here there are no likes posted…and yet two new likes on the mansion post…looks like mel gibson and cant remember other actress name.
    Im thinking several peeps have read our thoughts…even this early… I hope this is already archived as we speak….hypothetically. if we are correct…u r new Indiana Joans.

  13. Srry same stuff twice…I think it would be redundant and without proof to say someone found it or We or I found something before proof is in hand…but I want to go buy a new 4 wheel drive and hit the road. lol

  14. Oh yeah…I have a half of a thunder egg from Wisconsin Dells…U may have it..to give to Dal. lol…

  15. I’ve collect about six of them… Ive only been posting on your site a short time..but ive not seen those two icons before…I guess ur not as sold on my interpretation of the poem as I am…which is totally understandable. many peeps have been wrong and u would know better than most…Im still trying to get out of here and get on the road. I guess Ill talk to ya in a few days.

    • Stephanie says:

      Oh your headed out West now? I didn’t realize that. Good Luck. It’s not that I’m not sold…I just have so many of my own ideas already. Good Luck.

  16. Bonnie says:

    Re: Cold……As I walked from the road down to the Cimarron River the air temperature dropped about ten degrees.

  17. Hank says:

    Whew…cold is the reception one gets when posting on Dal’s blog today…Stephanie I understand your “something is different” comment now, and I have not been in it nearly as long…it’s getting a little toothy over there. On that note, I will try to add something here, as it is a much more comfortable temperature. Cold is one of those words, like so many others in the poem, that can be interpreted in myriad of ways. I recently thought of it as being the bronze as well, like cold as steel, or cold as bronze. I have recently thought that is not referring to temperature at all. I am kinda geeky wordsmith guy sometimes and I get all thesaurasy (not a word). If you dabble with cold there are some interesting synonyms like bare – “to uncover, reveal, or expose”. Just a couple thoughts…I’m way outside the box looking in.

    • Stephanie says:

      I haven’t even looked at all the emails I got as I checked to see if my blog had any comments first…I can’t only imagine what they’re going to say….hmm. I don’t see being involved in this much any more. It’s just gotten so negative. I’m guessing Forrest probably felt a lot of that too.

      • jen says:

        I have fun with you though!! I will be sure to bounce over here more! I bet Dal is ready to close the blog and reopen it privately!! j

        Sent from my iPhone

        • Stephanie says:

          The people there just seem so mean spirited. Dal has said he’s fine with people laying out their entire search…but he doesn’t like the negative ones. It used to be so fun telling stories and just giving each other ideas. I’ll probably just stay on my blog. I’ll ground myself lol

          • Jen says:

            I totally agree! I don’t like the mean spirited people!! We need to develop a website where people have to have a password to post and we can revoke that at any time. I can look past people being mean until they start being bullies, that is where I draw the line. Especially when they are causing more harm then good. j

          • Stephanie says:

            I can delete posts here if they get mean. So we’re good here if anyone wants to be free to talk their opinions. I think Dal’s pulling on the reins on his blog to, in order to keep it about the clues. So hopefully that will be good too. It’s just sort of sad…because it was fun going a little off topic to get to know people more and know their personalities.

          • Jen says:

            I know! I find part of the thrill is getting to know people and make new friends and have a good time! Dal might have to put the Principal hat on and “whip” some people into shape!! HEHE!! We just need an off topic chit chat thread that may or may not have to do with the poem! I feel sad that especially people who have read f’s book can still be ugly to others. That reminds me I need to write a book review!

          • Stephanie says:

            I agree about the friendships. That’s been the best part of this…getting to know everyone. Especially learning about Forrest. Most fascinating person I’ve ever met.

          • Jen says:

            I hope to meet him one day! He is extremely fascinating to me!

  18. Tarryscant says:

    Hank, Stephanie and Jen,

    Agree. There are some very negative people over there. There are also some interesting and insightful people but it is getting hard to sift through the comments to find the good stuff.

    About the cold — I go back and forth on this. I am new to this and have only been out once. The place I searched was literally cold (cold stream that would be cold year round). It is likely much more complex than that. My other solutions were not that simple. Need to think about cold more.

    • Stephanie says:

      I was reading Forrest’s book again yesterday and noticed of course where he talks about bronze being cold. Oh just thought…bronze can be brown…wonder if there’s an artist he used to have that was named Brown. I know there’s a giant Indian(brave) bronze in front of his old gallery…but that’s IN Santa Fe…so can’t be it…but I just think that if there was a secret compartment…people would be so close and not even know it. Not sure where something like that would work though. Anyway…I also noticed him talking about a cemetery and cold.

      • Clinger says:

        Stephanie,
        I contend that “worth the cold” is referring to you (well hopefully me, but well go with you for now :) ) carrying out a heavy bronze box. It will feel cold on your hands because the metal is a great heat conductor. In the story you refer to he actually gives a lesson about that very phenomena to the schoolkids in his gallery. This of course could almost certainly refer to any kind of water, as water evaporating from you or even around you such as mist from a waterfall could cool you make you feel cold.

        That’s my 2c…worth almost a half a nickle. :)

  19. Hank says:

    Good to know..I thought it was interesting the story over on Dal’s about the ballerina, and the fact that he casts his own bronze. And, the Indian statue is interesting as well, I had thought maybe the “brave and in the wood” could be a wood carving of a Native American chief or something, but dismissed it a while back, maybe some more research is necessary…Is there a particular tribe he has any more connection with than others? Blackfeet maybe?

    • Stephanie says:

      The wood indian idea is a good one as he talks about carving the yo yos. Also, yes I talked to him about Blackfoot Indians. The reason is that I’m supposed to have some in my DNA. So when I went up to Cody to the Buffalo Bill Museum I saw all these prints and copper plates that Forrest donated to the museum and I took some photos. They were from Sharp. Sharp is the first artist he wrote about. I don’t know if Sharp specialized in the Blackfoot or not…but they are the one’s I noticed. Forrest told me that the difference between Blackfeet and Blackfoot was depending on if they were in the US or in Canada. I also find it interesting that in the chapter where he talks about the treasure is where he talks about his childhood collections and I wonder if that’s a clue that it has something to do with his childhood.

  20. Hank says:

    Thanks Stephanie…I hate to admit this but I still don’t have the book yet! I am ordering it today! It was on backorder so long and then I just kept working the poem and kinda forgot about ordering it, etc. No excuse I know. I went back and watched the interview with Lorene Mills, the report from Santa Fe, and it seems like he put more emphasis on using the book than in other interviews. Childhood has to play a role somehow, and not the stuff on YNP only…in my opinion.

    • Stephanie says:

      that’s one of my favorite interviews, because it’s the first thing I found about the search a couple years ago and I can still remember being memorized by him and what he was doing. I hope he’s still happy that he’s done such a wonderful thing. I’m glad you got his book. I just love the way he writes and his quirky stories. I still like reading them even after the umpteenth time of reading them. I care for my Dad who has Parkinson’s and I also read it to him on days where he had to lay in bed and I had no idea what to talk about with him(I didn’t grow up with him). He really liked hearing the stories and looked forward to me reading it.

      • Linda says:

        Hi Stephanie! Great blog! I’m new at this so please forgive any of my flubs. I agree that FF’s childhood plays a big role in this. I will never get to Yellowstone because my hubby is a lot older than I am and he’s a bit too frail to go treasure hunting so I will help you as much as I can with any insight I may have (if you didn’t think of it already LOL). I ordered a book also but who knows when it will get here.( I live in Florida.) I enjoyed his excerpts so much that I wanted to read more. Would it be OK if I emailed you? I have some ideas that you may like and since I can’t get there to look perhaps it could help you find the gold before Dal does. LOL

        • Stephanie says:

          LOL You can email me at tyblossom at aol dot com. If Forrest hid it when he was 80…it’s not to hard to get to…so maybe you want to reconsider. I took my Mom on some treasure hunting trips and she just waited in the car while I went down the trail. I probably should have taken her suggestion to take her cane when I met up with the bear lol…but luckily it all worked out.

        • Jen says:

          Linda you will love the book!!!!!

  21. mccannam says:

    It was like Christmas yesterday when I went to the mail box to find my Thrill of the Chase book. I am so excited to start reading it. Speaking of cold, I do remember reading some place that Forrest said snow is not your friend. So I am wondering if the treasure is hidden someplace where is snows. Being above 5,000ft would make be think in the winter there is snow and it is probably hiding the treasure even more.

    • Stephanie says:

      I do remember him saying that too. Never thought about him saying that in relation to worth the cold.

    • Bonnie says:

      LOL….eh yup…you can figure that there is snow in dem dar parts. In fact, we sat out the last two days from searching because we have gotten snow. Two inches of dust is nothing. THe winds would knock you back and off the trail for certain. Sun is trying to break out and we’re hoping to get back on the search tomorrow as we are tying up our New Mexican adventure on Monday and heading out. The weekend is looking good for searching if anyone is local (or loco as the case may be) ;-) Happy hunting.

  22. Derrick says:

    When I was in Colorado a few weeks ago, we stopped by the Royal Gorge. It was cold that day on the bridge, but when we descended into the gorge, I really couldn’t believe how much colder it became. I suppose even on a very warm day, down in a small valley might be considered cool.

    • Stephanie says:

      I don’t think on a 100 degree day that you would say its worth the cold though. I think it would be considered more like your having to deal with the cold in a bad way. Kind of like you have to go somewhere thats uncomfortable. On 100 degree day….that sounds nice. So I think it must be somewhere high in elevation maybe? I don’t know…

      • Derrick says:

        I like the idea of a very cold mountain stream coming off the mountain. I really haven’t taken the word “cold” into my searching. I always had looked at that a just a good word to rhyme with “gold”.

    • Bonnie says:

      I walked along the canyon road, then slipped down the steep bank past the brush to the miracle waters. The temperature immediately dropped ten degrees at the water. River water is cold. The colder the better for trout.

  23. The wife and I were just talking about Roger Ebert dying this week…I went out with his step daughter Jennifer for awhile, but didnt tell the wife…anyhow. We agreed it would have been a good idea to have asked him about all the old movies and tv series related to treasure hunting. There has to be a few clues right? Between Nicolas Cage Robert Lewis Stevenson Billy Crystal or Jack Palance maybe they could shed some light. One would think Gene Wilder would know. The re-make yet to be decided–one thumb up. How about Sargent Preston or the new shows like Tiffany Amber Thesan (sp)…? Maybe
    They could help…anyway its off to the movies.
    Ps…I still like the idea of sharing…f has been uniting us…I think this is sill a large part of thr message–even Dal. Smiles.

  24. Wishmeluck says:

    Though I don’t think Forrest would put the treasure in a stream it is possible that you have to wade across a stream to get to it, and all mountain streams are cold year around.

  25. Patricia Gibson- Williams says:

    My thought was that the cold was a mountain stream, for the same reason Wish said. Most are cold year round. I am not ruling out other meanings for “cold” but in conjunction with the rest of the poem that one works for me. After all cold is relative and to those used to freezing weather for long months they may think “Oh 45 or 50 degrees isn’t that cold” But I can assure you that when there is cold water surrounding you, leaching out the warmth you are going to get cold fast and to your bones. However I’m in the camp that believes that it’s not in the water. Just that you would have to go through the water to get to it. Or at least you would if you took the same path the poem takes you. There could very well be a trail that takes you in another way. In my place though as far as I can see you would have to wade at least a short distance in the water, unless you used a boat and you would still end up getting wet. Which would not be unusual for a fisherman.

  26. Hi Stephanie.
    Ist time on your blog. When I first read the poem, I thought that if you are hiking in August, the ONLY way u can be cold is if you are wet.
    Hiked YYNP April 30th, 7000 feet in the snow, while it was snowing, tee shirt, long sleeve cotton shirt, denim shirt, blue jeans, rain pants, Never got cold, and I’m from the deep South.
    I saw the 29th April interview on NM television. Forest said that he buried 8 bells, 4 feet deep. By himself. That’s a lot of work for an 82 year old man. Ive done it tired and weak. Bring a sandwich. Why bring a sandwich if u only walk 500 feet? U’ve met him. He seems to be capable of walking a mile or more. I do wonder if his two trips were on successive days. The best walk he took was 81 miles to Bozeman, Montana! He’s quite a man, still. A warrior!
    My two cents, Emmett

    • Stephanie says:

      yeah the worth the cold makes me really believe that’s a clue that it’s north. If I think about going in August like you said…..”worth” the cold sounds like it’s not something you want and I think in August if you were wet with cold river/creek water…you’d be happy as a clam. At least I would. There were many times last year that I considered dunking myself in the Cimarron just as an excuse to feel good.

    • Bonnie says:

      HAHAHA….bring a sandwich cuz it’s gonna take more time than you think it will to find out the treasure isn’t where you thought it was ;-)

      Besides, it’s always nice to take a break to replenish, rest and think again ;-)

  27. stephanie;
    I know u given out you email address, but i’m to lazy to search it out. please repeat it for me.
    thanks, emmett

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